18:41 Deo: devil(mind) has to have some balancing force– angel( heart)
18:42 me: how can mind be the devil when it does what its reqquired to?
Deo: mind’s just like a processor that needs power supply( heart) to work
18:43 because all the malaise thats there in us has its roots in our minds!!
18:44 me: yet..thats what its job entails
to think whats best for u
18:45 does it matter if its evil and corrupt as long as its for ur own good
18:47 Deo: thats what i said self good shudn’t be our sole motto. i don’t say that all of us have to be altruistic. but, it is our mind that teaches us to do so just like the machines !
18:48 me: every deed in itself is selfish
me: why then it it wrong to think abt urself
every deed in itself is selfish
18:49 Deo: we are humans and sometimes what we do is not for our own self . but for the society, for the nation.
18:50 me: the person gains mental satisfaction from helping the nation /society
Deo: what would u say abt our soldiers who lay die their own lives for saving us. are they selfish?
me: he does it bcoz he feels good doing it?
‘be it because of recognition or social service
18:51 he does it because it makes him feel good
why else wd one take the trouble?
so in the end every action one takes
he thinks about his mental satisfaction or happiness
Deo: what help wud the recognition be when the person himself is no more, to enjoy the fruits of his service as u see it
18:52 me: thats the ultimate aim
Deo: he does it because in his heart he has love for his country
me: thats necessity my friend
he earns a living doing the thing he
18:54 Deo: there are other ways of earning a livin, less hazardous ones! why one shud choose such
me: many jobs have their own occupational hazards
this is not to discredit the service thy do
18:55 even if his love for his country makes him lay down his life
Deo: hazards are everywhere!
me: he does it because it makes him feel good doesnt it?
Deo: he feels good at heart, not in mind rite?
18:56 me: see…
if he had listened to his mind
he would not venture on such a journey
18:57 its his heart that goads him to this path
and eventually lends a helping hand to his grave]
18:58 Deo: but gives him a feeling of satisfaction , rather than the constant hunger for more and more evil?
me: again..thats perception..why is thinking of oneself always considered evil even when it doesnt entail any harm to the fellowmen./??
18:59 Deo: selfish doesn’t entail any harm to fellowmen??
me: no it doesnt
looks after your own interests wothout coming in other peoples ways
19:00 neither help
just stay aloof
and mind ur own busines
19:01 Deo: the what do u say of traders and middlemen who are selfish and in their own interests raise the profit margins and cause hardship to the common man!
hows dat for capitalism?
me: why wont they?
they trade to earn money
they work hard for whatever they earn
Deo: earn money by burning holes in common man’s pocket
19:02 me: thats monopoly dude
Deo: i don’t subscribe to dat
me: that doesnt exist in an open market
Deo: monopoly is a byproduct of capitalism
me: neither is that close to capitalism
no it isnt
thats a common misconception
19:03 Deo: some measure of regulation is a necessary evil!
i dont oppose capitalism in totality!
19:04 me: regulation does nothin other than stalling progress
Deo: but i cant benefit the society without a dose of socialism
me: its a constant evolving world
19:05 socialism brings with it mass corruption and zero progress
even China seems to have understood that
look at what socialism did to india
what was once the most advanced nation on earth
Deo: i told just a dose of socialism. not in totality. china is a perfect example of that
me: turned out to be a lumbering elephant
19:06 all beacuse of the idealistic nehruivian philosophy of a mixed economy
Deo: market regulation has allowed its own companies to prosper! lenovo overtoook ibm
19:07 me: i dont oppose market regulation on condition that innovation and growth is not forestalled for the sake of common man!!!
look at the state of organized retail in India today
19:08 Deo: nehru was a selfish bigot who just treaded in unchartered waters all at the behest of those leftists who are the biggest impediments to our success
nehru was a pathetic idealist
who believed in the caliber of Indian civil services
which was the ultimate letdown
19:09 those were the days when socialism was considered progressive
Deo: he was not an idealist. he was as selfish a politician as u can find in every nook and corner of india today!
me: and half the world subscribed to the USSR ideology
19:10 Deo: ussr was a failure because its very foundations were shaky
me: twas the latter bunch of politicians who stayed glued to the moorings of the gandhi clan
Deo: no competition is just scuttling ur creativity
19:11 what gandhi said was nothing but an expression of his altruistic thoughts
me: gandhi dint believe in science
19:12 he wanted to go back to the village culture
Deo: he was admired by einstein!
me: no change was good for him
we are talking of two different aspects of gandhi
Deo: he did not decry changes.
me: the one before independence
and the one after
19:13 Deo: he entailed panchayati system which was nessary at that pt of time
me: he was also not enthusiastic about industrial revolution either
19:14 am not surprised india never got to attain that
its only after 1991 that india changed tracks
Deo: that was not becoz of gandhi , dat was becoz we did n’t have the resources to do dat1
19:15 me: ohh no..
half the world came forward to support the country
including the united states of america
often considered the mother of evil nations
19:16 read : capitalist
Deo: we had to beg and it was a vvicious cycle of debts which we are still in the process of repayments even today
19:17 u dont expect them to help u out of charity do u?
we cudnt repay because of the pathetic state of our public sector industries
which did nothing other than stall proceedings
19:18 Deo: nope. then what’s so great abt them. even ussr helped india. india survived three wars and hostile neighbours just bcoz ussr helped india
me: yes..all beacuse india detached itself from usa
Deo: what did us do? help pakistan and turn a blind eye towrds china’s ambitions
19:19 me: all this inspite of being non alligned
that was duality
Deo: usa wanted india to be one of its satellite sates just like britain and australia ar enow for mr bush
me: satellite states/??
19:20 if you mean working together for common growth
look at the state if australia and britain
Deo: u are independent but ur entire foreign policy is shaped by some one else. i call that pseudo- independence!
me: and then look @ india
19:21 Deo: india is like this bcoz of us!
me: u accept the policy because its best for the nation
the blame game would be too long to end
19:22 we have never learned to accept that market works itself out in the end
Deo: we dont want to work for our own progress we are just lazy bums who will not bat an eyelid while accepting and giving bribes and doin nothing
me: and going by the market seems to be the best bet towards a more developed and progressive natio
19:23 Deo: market eceonomy is graet but without regulation its dooomsday for customers
me: u cant expect a revolution every second generation
Deo: provided dat does not scuttle creativity
Deo: u cant deny that eoither
u can’t deny a revolution either!
19:24 me: how can a bunch of diplomats decide whats gonna be passed and what cannot be?
Deo: renaissance happened in 16th century and industrial revolution just 2 centuries aftr that
19:25 then is that supposed to be decided by a bunch of traders
me: it started in different nations
Deo: is that so?
it satred in europe
me: but different nations
19:26 different reasons
Deo: italy , france and britain wre at forefronts of it
me: so u expect a revolution of the likes of industrial revolution or rennaisaance to happen every other century?
is that not asking for a little too much
19:27 revolution is never planned
they happen to happen’
just like that
with strong reasons
Deo: xactly why can’t somethin that has happenedb4 cannot happened again
me: and logic no doubt
isnt the information revolution underway rt now??
19:28 Deo: a revolution is nothing but a culmination of mass deisre for a better life
me: the one india seems to be riding the most
Deo: market revolution-1991
19:29 Deo: c both happened in such quick succesion
me: it took 50 years to change the structure of indian market
Deo: still not a lifetime
me: that too beacuse one manmohan singh and narasimha rao took upon themselves something they bever comprehended to be this big
twas a chance
19:30 Deo: what we need now is complete restructuring of our education system, which is at best pathetic
me: so true
that was in our 1st 5 yr plan
and has been thr ever since
Deo: and we can be the forebearers of this revolution
me: from 34% to 67%
19:31 Deo: its still a long way to go!
me: these are mere statistics
Deo: we spend less than 2% of our gdp on education.
19:32 even when we proclaim to be the biggest impediment to a double digit frowth
Deo: and with this system we produce winners , is nothing short of a miracle
19:33 me: imagine if the market restructuring had occured in 1947
we could have left the world behind
19:34 Deo: we wud never have been able to come to terms with dat!
we4didn’t have the recources and neithgerdid we have skilled manpowers
me: if the markets were allowed to have its say we could have overcome any deficiency
19:35 did we possess enuf IT skills to be dominant
yet we did
ciz market was let loose
and india zoomed ahead
Deo: but still we had some talent pool of the halllowed iits and others followed
19:36 me: we did have resources to set up mammoth money gurgling PSU’s
that did nothing other than eat up country’s revenires
Deo: that was a mistake
19:37 Deo: and still they continue to do dat!
me: disinvestment is the answer
thgh in the wake of rising competition many psu’s have risen to the challenge
look at ongc
Deo: sail is the perfectexample
me: look at sail
19:38 Deo: it came from the reds topost a pofit of 10000 crores
thats what competition does
Deo: and for that matter , ourown public sector banks
19:39 competition with regulation
thats what stalling it to become a world leader
is it not the regulations that has made sbi the worst on customer service
19:41 inspite of being the largest and the most extensive
Deo: microsoft eliminated netscape in the 90’s which went bankrupt bcoz it gave internet explorer for free,which othes cud not do bcozthe did n’t have the teeming billions which microsoft had!!!
me: with the maximum deposits
Deo: competion over!!
monopoly comes to the fore
had itbeen regulated that wud have never happened
19:42 me: is it not msn’s rt to earn for the good it has done?
i dont justify the
monopoly is bad
19:43 Deo: what gud it first gave ie for free and when there was no competition they staretd charging money for that
19:44 me: strategies companies employ to stay at the top
and provide employment to millions
through its development
Deo: u dont want vista buttoday u can’t buy ceratin laptops withoout it and in the process u end up paying licensing fee for that which u shud nat pay in any case
19:45 me: the sad point of free market is some of its good points are masked and qualitative
Deo: free market leads to monopolies! its a proven fact
i am not against some regulations
19:46 Deo: loook what trai is doin in telecom market. ifeel its doin a wonderful job
me: ohh no
i feel the exact opposite
with the number of cell users set to expand
and the villages desperate in need of connectivity
19:47 trai is doing nothing but stalling prceedings
its formula for limited spectrum is disoriented
Deo: its not releasing spectrum. that’s the problem created by our idiotic telecom minister not trai
Deo: who wants money for that
19:48 me: but the system of distribution it wants to employ is nothing short of stupid
can not such govt regulatory authorities be influnced by corporate houses of the likes of Rel info
to rule in its favor?
19:49 thats the only problem with regulations
Deo: again this policy was shaped by the parliamentry committe headed by the same minister not trai
me: when money can buy certain rights however undeserving through the manipulation of diplomats
Deo: who is rumoured to have taken moneyfrom freliance]
i mean reliance]
19:51 accha chal i got to go 4 dinner!!
c ya later